My friend, Liam, was absolutely stoked. He’d just snagged a pair of “vintage” Converse Chuck 70s online for what seemed like an unbelievably good deal – half the price they usually went for. He couldn’t wait to show them off. But the moment he pulled them out of the box, something just felt…off. The canvas seemed a bit thin, the rubber toe cap was too shiny, and that iconic ankle patch on the high-top just looked a little wonky. He’d wanted those sneakers for ages, and the disappointment was palpable. He asked me, “How can you tell if Converse are fake?” It’s a question many of us have found ourselves asking, especially with the prevalence of convincing counterfeits flooding the market.

To tell if Converse are fake, you really need to become a detective of the details. Authentic Converse, whether we’re talking about the classic Chuck Taylor All Stars or the more premium Chuck 70s, exhibit a consistent level of quality in their materials, construction, and branding. You’ll primarily want to scrutinize the packaging, the various logos (especially the heel patch and inner ankle patch), the texture and weight of the canvas and rubber, the precision of the stitching, and the overall feel and comfort of the shoe. Fakes often cut corners, resulting in cheaper materials, sloppy craftsmanship, and subtly incorrect branding elements.

The First Clues: Packaging and Presentation

Before you even lay your hands on the shoes themselves, the packaging can often spill the beans on whether you’re dealing with the real McCoy or a clever impostor. Think of the box as the opening act; if it’s not up to snuff, the main event probably won’t be either.

The Converse Box: More Than Just Cardboard

An authentic Converse shoe box isn’t just a generic cardboard container; it’s part of the brand experience. First off, the cardboard itself should feel sturdy and robust, not flimsy or easily crushed. The printing on the box needs to be crisp, clear, and consistent. Look for the Converse logo and branding to be perfectly centered and well-defined, without any blurry edges or faded colors.

  • The Label: Your ID Card for Authenticity
    Every genuine Converse box comes with a detailed label, usually on one of the ends. This label is packed with information that can be a dead giveaway. You should see the shoe’s style name (e.g., “Chuck Taylor All Star,” “Chuck 70”), the size in various international measurements (US Men’s, US Women’s, UK, EUR, CM), the color code, and crucially, a unique barcode and an SKU or product code. This SKU should match the one printed on the shoe’s tongue tag. A common red flag for fakes is a label that’s poorly printed, smudged, missing information, or even just looks slightly off in its font or layout. Sometimes, a fake label might even have a generic product name, or the sizing information might be inconsistent.
  • Serial Numbers and QR Codes
    Many authentic Converse boxes, especially for newer models, will include a serial number or a scannable QR code. While not every fake omits these, a missing or non-functional QR code is definitely a cause for concern. You can sometimes even try scanning these codes with your phone; an authentic one should lead you to the official Converse website or product page.
  • Internal Packaging
    Inside the box, real Converse usually come wrapped in a relatively thin but durable tissue paper, often printed with the Converse logo or a specific pattern. It won’t feel like cheap, easily torn paper you’d use for gifts. Counterfeits might use plain, flimsy tissue paper, or sometimes no wrapping at all, which is a major red flag.

Hangtags and Extra Goodies

Depending on the model, especially with Chuck 70s or special editions, you might find hangtags attached to the laces. These tags should also reflect the brand’s quality. They’ll be made of a decent cardstock, with clear printing and accurate branding. Any flimsy, poorly printed, or generic-looking hangtags should raise an eyebrow.

Delving into the Details: The Shoes Themselves

Now, let’s get down to the real nitty-gritty: the shoes themselves. This is where most of the critical differences lie, and a keen eye for detail will serve you well. I’ve spent enough time looking at both real and fake pairs to tell you, it’s often the small, almost imperceptible inconsistencies that give a fake away.

The Iconic Converse Logos: Your Cheat Sheet

Converse is a brand built on iconic imagery, and counterfeiters often struggle to replicate these perfectly. This is arguably the most critical area to scrutinize.

The Heel Patch: The Foundation of Authenticity

Every pair of Chuck Taylor All Stars and Chuck 70s sports a distinctive rubber heel patch. This is one of the quickest ways to spot a fake.

  • Classic Chuck Taylor All Stars:
    • Color and Material: For classic models, the patch is usually white with black lettering and a red “All Star” text. It should be made of a durable, slightly pliable rubber, securely attached to the heel of the shoe.
    • Text and Star Quality: The “CONVERSE ALL★STAR” text should be crisp, clear, and evenly spaced. The star should be perfectly formed, with sharp points, not blurry or malformed. Crucially, there should be a small, clear registered trademark “®” symbol near the word “CONVERSE.” This “®” should be distinct and not smudged or missing.
    • Alignment and Placement: The patch should be perfectly centered on the heel, not crooked or off-kilter. The edges should be clean, not ragged or unevenly cut.
  • Chuck 70s (Premium Model Differences):
    • Black Patch: One of the easiest giveaways for Chuck 70s is that their heel patch is always black with white lettering, not white with red and black.
    • Three-Star Design: Chuck 70s typically feature a vintage-inspired three-star patch. The two outer stars are often slightly smaller than the central one. The text will still be “CONVERSE ALL★STAR” with the “®” symbol, but it’s often thicker, reflecting the more robust nature of the Chuck 70s.
    • Glossy Finish: Many Chuck 70 heel patches have a slightly glossier finish compared to the matte finish of the classic All Stars, though this can vary by specific release.
  • Common Fake Flaws: Blurry text, incorrect font, missing “®” symbol, uneven spacing between letters, star shape that isn’t quite right, patch attached crookedly, or made of cheap, stiff plastic rather than pliable rubber.

The Inner Ankle Patch (High-Tops): A Detailed Examination

On high-top Converse, there’s a circular patch on the inner ankle. This is another goldmine for detecting fakes.

  • Color and Material: For classic Chucks, this patch is typically white with a blue and red logo. For Chuck 70s, it’s usually off-white or cream with a black logo, giving it that vintage vibe. It should be made of a quality canvas or rubber, neatly stitched or adhered.
  • The Star and “ALL STAR” Text: The central star should be perfectly symmetrical and well-defined. The “ALL STAR” text, encircling the star, needs to be clear, evenly spaced, and use the correct font. Again, look for that “®” symbol near “CHUCK TAYLOR.”
  • The “Chuck Taylor” Signature: The signature should be distinct and not look like a rough scribble. The thickness and flow of the signature are key.
  • Stitching: The circular patch should be securely stitched to the canvas upper with neat, consistent stitching all around its perimeter. Fakes often have sloppy, uneven stitching, or it might not even be stitched at all, just glued.
  • Common Fake Flaws: Fuzzy or incorrect star shape, malformed “®” symbol, wrong font for “ALL STAR,” poorly rendered “Chuck Taylor” signature, incorrect color scheme for the patch, or sloppy stitching around the patch.

The Tongue Tag: Small but Mighty

Pull back the tongue and inspect the tag sewn onto its underside. This tag typically includes sizing information and, sometimes, country of origin.

  • Printed Information: Look for clear, legible text detailing size in various international formats (US Men’s, US Women’s, UK, EUR, CM) and the SKU/product code. This SKU should match the one on the box label.
  • “Converse” Logo: Many tongue tags also feature a smaller “Converse” logo. This logo should be crisp and adhere to the brand’s standard font and styling.
  • Country of Origin: While many Converse are made in Vietnam, Indonesia, India, or China, fakes might have unusual or inconsistent country-of-origin markings, or sometimes none at all. The phrase “MADE IN…” should be present and accurate.
  • Common Fake Flaws: Blurry printing, incorrect font, missing SKU, inconsistent sizing information, or a tag that feels flimsy and cheap.

The Insole Logo: Inside Information

The insole of a genuine Converse shoe will usually feature a printed Converse logo. On classic Chucks, this might be a simple “Converse All Star” text. On Chuck 70s, it’s often a more detailed logo with “Converse” and the Star Chevron, and sometimes “Chuck 70” branding.

  • Print Quality: The logo should be clearly printed and resistant to rubbing off easily. Fakes often have a quickly fading or smudged insole logo.
  • Color and Font: Ensure the colors and font match official Converse branding.
  • Insole Material: This leads us to the quality of the insole itself. Classic Chucks have a relatively thin, fixed insole. Chuck 70s, however, are renowned for their much thicker, more cushioned, and usually removable OrthoLite insoles. These insoles often have distinct branding on their underside. A fake Chuck 70 might have a thin, cheap insole, completely missing the enhanced cushioning and branding.

The Outsole Logo: Underfoot Authentication

Flip the shoe over and examine the sole. Towards the heel, you’ll often find a debossed Converse logo, sometimes with a star or specific text.

  • Debossing Quality: The logo should be deeply and clearly debossed into the rubber, not just lightly printed or absent.
  • Star and Chevron/Converse Text: Depending on the model, it might feature the classic star logo, the Star Chevron, or simply “Converse.” Whatever it is, it should be well-defined and consistent with official designs.
  • Common Fake Flaws: Shallow or blurry debossing, incorrect logo, or sometimes no logo at all.

Material Quality and Craftsmanship: The Feel Test

Once you’ve scrutinized the logos, it’s time to move on to the actual physical components of the shoe. This is where the cost-cutting measures of counterfeiters often become most apparent.

The Canvas: Touch and Texture

Converse are known for their canvas uppers, but there’s a distinct difference in quality between authentic and fake, especially between classic Chucks and Chuck 70s.

  • Classic Chuck Taylor All Stars: The canvas should feel durable yet pliable, with a relatively tight weave. It shouldn’t feel rough, scratchy, or overly thin like a cheap tent material. The color should be uniform and consistent across the shoe.
  • Chuck 70s: This is a major differentiator. Chuck 70s use a much heavier, thicker 12oz canvas (compared to the classic 10oz). You can really feel the difference – it’s more substantial, almost rugged. The weave might appear slightly more textured. The heavier canvas provides better structure and durability. If your “Chuck 70s” feel flimsy, they’re probably fake.
  • Common Fake Flaws: Thin, cheap-feeling canvas that lacks structure, uneven coloring, or a canvas that feels too rough or too smooth.

The Rubber: Flex and Finish

The rubber components – the toe cap, foxing (the rubber strip around the side), and outsole – are crucial indicators.

  • Toe Cap: An authentic Converse toe cap, especially on Chuck 70s, should be made of a thick, somewhat pliable rubber that has a slight sheen but isn’t overly glossy. It should be securely attached to the canvas upper, with a clean seam. On Chuck 70s, the toe cap is often slightly smaller and creamier in color, giving it a vintage feel. Fakes often have a brittle, overly shiny, or cheap-feeling plastic-like toe cap that might be poorly molded or glued.
  • Foxing (Sidewall): The rubber foxing tape that wraps around the sole should be smooth, consistent in height, and have a slight texture. On classic Chucks, there’s usually a single colored stripe (often red or black) embedded in the rubber. This stripe should be crisp and even, not blurry or wavy. Chuck 70s feature a thicker, off-white or cream foxing, often with a slightly higher profile, and usually no distinct colored stripe, or sometimes a very subtle, darker stripe. The “seam” where the rubber meets the canvas should be clean and precise.
  • Outsole: The outsole rubber should be durable and provide good grip. The tread pattern should be well-defined and consistent.
  • Common Fake Flaws: Brittle, overly shiny or matte rubber, inconsistent foxing height, blurry or wavy foxing stripe, poorly attached toe cap, or a rubber that feels too stiff or too soft.

Laces and Eyelets: The Small Details That Matter

Don’t overlook these seemingly minor components.

  • Laces: Authentic Converse laces are usually flat, durable, and made of good quality cotton or polyester. They should feel substantial, not thin or flimsy. The plastic tips (aglets) should be tightly crimped and uniform, not frayed or poorly finished. Chuck 70s often have thicker, cream-colored laces to complete the vintage look.
  • Eyelets: The metal eyelets should be uniform in size and perfectly spaced. They should be made of good quality metal (usually silver or bronze-colored), securely attached, and free from rust, sharp edges, or burrs. Fakes often have cheap, easily tarnished eyelets that might be unevenly spaced or loosely attached. Some older or specific models might have painted eyelets; these should also be uniform and not chipping.
  • Vent Holes (Side Eyelets): On the side of the shoe, typically on the inner arch, there are two small metal eyelets. These are for ventilation. Like the lace eyelets, they should be well-finished, evenly spaced, and made of quality metal.

Stitching and Construction: The Mark of Quality

The way a shoe is put together tells a story. Sloppy stitching is one of the most common red flags for counterfeits.

  • Overall Stitching: All stitching on genuine Converse shoes should be neat, tight, even, and consistent. There shouldn’t be any loose threads, skipped stitches, or wildly uneven lines. The thread color should generally match the canvas or be a contrasting color where intentionally designed (like the white stitching on some dark canvas models).
  • Double Stitching: On many parts of the shoe, particularly where stress is applied (like around the eyelets or the heel seam), authentic Converse will feature precise double stitching for added durability. Fakes often omit this or execute it poorly.
  • Tongue Stitching: The tongue should be securely attached to the upper, and its edges should be neatly stitched, not raw or frayed.
  • Foxing Tape Seam: The vertical seam where the rubber foxing tape joins at the heel should be clean, tight, and barely noticeable. Fakes often have a very obvious, gappy, or poorly aligned seam here.
  • Chuck 70 Specifics: Chuck 70s often feature additional stitching details, like an extra line of stitching along the foxing tape, indicating their more robust construction. This adds to their vintage aesthetic and durability.
  • Common Fake Flaws: Loose threads, uneven stitch lines, inconsistent stitch length, missing double stitching, or stitching that appears flimsy and easily pulled apart.

The Sole and Insole: The Foundation of Comfort and Durability

The very bottom of the shoe, and what’s inside, are critical for both comfort and identifying authenticity.

The Outsole: Grip and Pattern

The rubber outsole, the part that touches the ground, should have a distinct pattern designed for grip.

  • Tread Pattern: Classic Converse outsoles typically feature a diamond-patterned tread with a central star. This pattern should be well-defined, not shallow or irregular. The rubber should feel durable and have good traction.
  • Rubber Quality: The rubber used for the outsole should feel substantial and flexible, not stiff and plastic-like, nor overly soft and easily worn down.
  • Heel Plate: As mentioned before, the debossed logo at the heel should be clear. Some models also have a slightly raised “plate” of rubber in the heel area for extra durability; this should be integrated seamlessly.
  • Common Fake Flaws: Shallow, indistinct, or incorrect tread pattern, cheap-feeling rubber that lacks grip, or a missing/blurry debossed logo.

The Insole: The Secret to Comfort

This is a major point of difference, especially between classic Chucks and Chuck 70s.

  • Classic Chuck Taylor All Stars: Generally, these have a relatively thin, non-removable insole that offers basic cushioning. It’s functional but not luxurious. The branding will be printed directly onto it.
  • Chuck 70s: This is where the Chuck 70s really shine. They boast a significantly thicker, more cushioned, and typically removable OrthoLite insoles. This insole provides superior comfort and arch support. If you pull it out, you’ll usually find OrthoLite branding on the underside, along with a distinct texture and density. A fake Chuck 70 often has a thin, cheap insole that mimics the classic Chucks, completely missing the premium cushioning.

The Fit and Feel: An Intuitive Test

While subjective, the overall fit and feel can also offer clues. Genuine Converse, even the classic models, should feel relatively comfortable right out of the box, with a consistent fit for their size.

  • Weight: Authentic Converse, especially Chuck 70s, have a certain heft to them due to their quality materials. Fakes often feel surprisingly light and flimsy.
  • Flexibility: The rubber sole should offer some flexibility, allowing the shoe to bend naturally with your foot, but not be so flimsy that it crumbles.
  • General Comfort: While classic Chucks aren’t known for cloud-like comfort, they shouldn’t feel outright painful or poorly constructed. Chuck 70s, with their improved insoles, should feel noticeably more comfortable. If a shoe feels unusually stiff, oddly shaped, or downright uncomfortable in a way that doesn’t align with the brand, it’s worth questioning.

The Price Tag and Purchase Location: Your Gut Feeling

Let’s be real for a moment. If a deal seems too good to be true, it almost certainly is. Authentic Converse, while not always top-tier luxury items, are priced consistently. Deep discounts on brand-new, popular models from unknown sellers are a huge red flag.

  • Unrealistic Discounts: If you see a pair of brand-new Chuck 70s, which retail for around $80-$90, being sold for $30 by a random online seller, be extremely skeptical. These prices don’t happen for genuine products.
  • Authorized Retailers: The safest bet is always to buy from authorized Converse retailers. This includes official Converse stores (online or brick-and-mortar), reputable department stores (like Nordstrom, Macy’s), or well-known sneaker boutiques (like Sneaker Politics, Kith).
  • Online Marketplaces: Be extra cautious on marketplaces like eBay, Amazon (especially third-party sellers), or Facebook Marketplace. While genuine products are sold there, it’s also a breeding ground for fakes. Always check seller reviews, return policies, and scrutinize product photos. If a seller uses stock photos or low-quality images, that’s a warning sign.

Chuck 70s vs. Classic Chuck Taylor All Stars: Key Differentiators

Since the Chuck 70 has become so popular, it’s worth highlighting the specific upgrades that often distinguish a real Chuck 70 from a fake one, or even from a classic Chuck Taylor All Star trying to pass as a 70.

  • Heavier Canvas: The 12oz canvas on Chuck 70s is noticeably thicker and more durable than the 10oz canvas of the classic model.
  • Thicker Rubber Foxing: The rubber band around the sole is thicker, slightly higher, and often has a creamier, off-white hue with a glossy finish.
  • Black Heel Patch: The distinctive black heel patch with white lettering (often a three-star design) is a hallmark of the Chuck 70.
  • Enhanced OrthoLite Insole: This is a big one. The cushioned, removable OrthoLite insole provides vastly superior comfort.
  • Additional Stitching: Look for extra stitching along the foxing and other stress points, signaling enhanced durability.
  • Metal Eyelets: Often, Chuck 70s will have higher quality, slightly more substantial metal eyelets.
  • Reinforced Toe Cap: The toe cap is often slightly smaller and made of a more robust rubber.

If a pair advertised as Chuck 70s lacks these specific, tangible upgrades, it’s almost certainly a fake or misrepresented product.

Your Converse Authenticity Checklist

Here’s a quick rundown of what to look for when you’re checking out a pair of Converse, whether you’re buying them online or in person:

  1. Packaging Quality: Is the box sturdy? Is the printing clear? Does the label match the shoes in style, size, and SKU?
  2. Heel Patch: Is the “CONVERSE ALL★STAR” text crisp, correctly spaced? Is the star perfectly formed? Is the “®” symbol present and clear? Is the color correct for the model (white for classics, black for Chuck 70s)?
  3. Inner Ankle Patch (High-Tops): Is the star symmetrical? Is “ALL STAR” text clear? Is the “Chuck Taylor” signature distinct? Is the stitching neat? Is the color correct?
  4. Tongue Tag: Is the printing clear? Does the SKU match the box? Are all sizing details present and consistent?
  5. Insole Logo: Is it clear, durable, and correctly branded? For Chuck 70s, is there a thick, removable OrthoLite insole?
  6. Outsole Logo: Is the debossed logo clear and correct for the model? Is the tread pattern well-defined?
  7. Canvas Quality: Does it feel durable? Is it thicker for Chuck 70s? Is the color consistent?
  8. Rubber Components: Are the toe cap and foxing tape sturdy, not too shiny or brittle? Are the foxing stripes (if applicable) crisp?
  9. Laces and Eyelets: Are the laces good quality with tight aglets? Are the eyelets uniform, well-attached, and free of defects?
  10. Stitching: Is all stitching neat, tight, even, and consistent? Are there loose threads or skipped stitches? Is double stitching present where expected?
  11. Overall Feel and Weight: Does the shoe feel substantial, not flimsy? Does it fit reasonably well for its size?
  12. Price and Seller: Is the price realistic for a genuine pair? Are you buying from an authorized retailer?

Frequently Asked Questions About Fake Converse

It’s natural to have more questions when diving into the world of authenticating sneakers. Here are some common queries I hear, with some in-depth answers.

Are all Converse made in Vietnam?

No, not all Converse are made in Vietnam, though it is a very common manufacturing location for the brand. Like many global footwear companies, Converse has manufacturing facilities in various countries around the world. Besides Vietnam, you’ll commonly find authentic Converse shoes manufactured in countries like Indonesia, India, and China. The key is that the country of origin should be clearly stated on the tongue tag and often on the box label, and it should be a legitimate manufacturing hub for the brand. If a shoe claims to be made in a country not typically associated with Converse manufacturing, or if the “MADE IN…” tag is missing or looks suspicious, that’s a potential red flag. The specific factory and location can even sometimes be indicated by a small code on the tongue tag. Therefore, seeing “Made in Vietnam” is usually a good sign, but it’s not the only sign of authenticity, nor does its absence automatically mean a fake.

Can you tell if Converse are fake by the smell?

While not a definitive scientific test, the smell can sometimes offer a subtle clue, especially if you have experience with genuine Converse. Authentic Converse, particularly new pairs, typically have a distinct smell of rubber and canvas, sometimes with a faint adhesive scent that isn’t unpleasant. It’s a “new shoe” smell. Counterfeit shoes, on the other hand, often emit a very strong, harsh chemical smell, which can be indicative of cheaper, lower-quality glues and synthetic materials being used. This isn’t always foolproof, as some genuine shoes might have a stronger adhesive smell depending on recent manufacturing or ventilation, but a truly pungent, noxious odor should definitely make you pause and examine other details more closely. Think of it as a secondary, intuitive check rather than a primary authentication method.

Do fake Converse last as long as real ones?

Generally speaking, no, fake Converse shoes do not last as long as authentic ones. The primary reason for the lower cost of counterfeits is the use of inferior materials and cheaper, less precise manufacturing processes. This means the canvas will be thinner and more prone to tearing, the rubber soles will wear down much faster, crack, or separate from the upper, and the stitching is likely to unravel quickly. The overall construction is not designed for durability but rather for a quick visual mimicry. Authentic Converse, even the classic Chuck Taylors, are built to withstand regular wear for a reasonable period, thanks to their quality canvas, vulcanized rubber, and robust stitching. While no canvas shoe is immortal, a genuine pair offers a significantly better lifespan and value for money compared to a rapidly deteriorating fake.

What are the risks of buying fake Converse?

Beyond the obvious disappointment of not getting what you paid for, buying fake Converse carries several risks. Firstly, there’s the financial risk; you’re paying money for a subpar product that won’t last. Secondly, there are potential health risks. Counterfeit shoes might be made with unregulated materials, including cheap dyes and adhesives that could contain harmful chemicals, irritants, or allergens, potentially leading to skin reactions or respiratory issues. Thirdly, they offer no genuine support or comfort, which can lead to foot problems over time. Fourthly, from an ethical standpoint, purchasing counterfeits supports illegal operations that often exploit labor, avoid taxes, and undermine legitimate businesses. It’s not just a harmless shortcut; it feeds a problematic industry. Finally, there’s the risk of your personal data being compromised if you purchase from shady websites or unverified sellers who might be engaging in other illicit activities.

Is it okay to buy fake Converse if I know they’re fake?

While the decision ultimately rests with an individual’s personal ethics, from a broader perspective, buying fake Converse, even knowingly, comes with several negative implications. As mentioned above, it directly supports the counterfeit industry, which is often linked to organized crime, poor labor practices, and intellectual property theft. These operations don’t adhere to safety standards, environmental regulations, or fair wages. Furthermore, it cheapens the brand itself, diluting the value and craftsmanship that genuine Converse represents. While the allure of a cheaper price is understandable, choosing to buy fakes contributes to a problematic global market. Many consumers, once they understand the wider impact, often opt to save up for an authentic pair or explore legitimate alternatives that offer better value and peace of mind.

Where is the best place to buy authentic Converse?

For absolute peace of mind and guaranteed authenticity, the best place to buy Converse is directly from the official Converse website or a dedicated Converse retail store. Beyond that, reputable, authorized retailers are your next best bet. This includes major department stores that carry footwear (like Macy’s, Nordstrom, Kohl’s), large athletic footwear chains (like Foot Locker, Finish Line, JD Sports), and well-established online retailers (like Zappos, Amazon – but only if sold directly by Amazon or a “Ships from and sold by Amazon.com” seller, not third-party merchants). Always prioritize sellers with strong return policies and a track record of selling genuine products. Be wary of independent online boutiques you’ve never heard of, or deals on auction sites that seem too good to be true. Stick to trusted names, and you’ll significantly reduce your risk of encountering fakes.

Spotting fake Converse can feel like a daunting task, but with a little practice and a sharp eye for detail, you’ll become quite adept at it. Remember Liam’s experience – he learned the hard way that an unbelievable deal usually comes with an unwelcome surprise. Taking the time to scrutinize these details not only protects your wallet but also ensures you’re investing in a quality, authentic product that truly embodies the iconic style and durability Converse is known for. Happy hunting, and here’s to rocking only genuine kicks!

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